JEFF KEHOE: I have to start with the title of the book, Yes to the Mess. Frank thanks for talking with us today.įRANK BARRETT: Thanks, Jeff. His latest book is called Yes to the Mess– Surprising Leadership Lessons from Jazz. I’m talking today with management professor and accomplished jazz pianist, Frank Barrett. JEFF KEHOE: Welcome to the HBR IdeaCast from Harvard Business Review. While the audio quality isn’t great, the conversation is. This episode originally aired on HBR IdeaCast in August 2012. And what one of the greatest jazz albums of all time – Miles Davis’s “Kind of Blue” – can teach us about teamwork. You’ll learn how to move beyond problem-solving and embrace an improvisational mindset, as a leader. Today, we bring you a conversation with jazz pianist and management professor Frank Barrett. HANNAH BATES: Welcome to HBR on Leadership, case studies and conversations with the world’s top business and management experts, hand-selected to help you unlock the best in those around you. Discover 100 years of Harvard Business Review articles, case studies, podcasts, and more at HBR.org.Listen to the original HBR IdeaCast episode: What Leaders Can Learn from Jazz (August 2012).HBR On Leadership curates the best case studies and conversations with the world’s top business and management experts, to help you unlock the best in those around you. Key topics include: leadership, creativity, experimentation, collaboration and teams, and innovation. And so, for jazz improvisation to work, there’s going to be mistakes and wrong notes.”īarrett tells IdeaCast guest host Jeff Kehoe that jazz also teaches leaders the importance of forgiving mistakes that happen as part of exploration and experimentation, as well as why it’s important to move beyond problem-solving and embrace an improvisational mindset. “So if everything you play is clean and fresh and slick, that means you’ve given up experimentation. He says, if you’re not making a mistake, it’s a mistake,” says jazz pianist and management professor Frank Barrett. What can jazz great Miles Davis teach us about leading for innovation?
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